Choosing an American podcaster over national media to express his thoughts on a new global order that largely supports his friend, US President Donald Trump’s vision of replacing the post-Second World War order, Prime Minister Narendra Modi criticised the United Nations and other international organisations as irrelevant amid rising global conflicts - referring specifically to the ongoing wars in the Middle East and tensions between China and the US.
In a three-hour conversation with US scientist and podcaster Lex Fridman on Sunday, Prime Minister Modi stated that the organisations have become "almost irrelevant" as there is "no reform" left in them.
Before I delve into other critically significant messages that Modi has sought to convey to both domestic and international audiences, I would like to share some interesting insights.
First, Modi’s media managers carefully chose to release the text of the interview on Sunday, knowing that the majority of media institutions operate with skeleton staff on that day, which would provide ample space for Modi’s thoughts.
Second, a close analysis of the content of the interview reveals that our Prime Minister shares Trump’s aim to create a new global order where the powerful dominate and impose their concept of “Justice” on the smaller, weaker, and marginalised nations and countries.
Third, it is becoming increasingly apparent from statements made by Trump, Modi, and Russian President Vladimir Putin— as Chinese President Xi Jinping has yet to respond— that a mutual appreciation is already in place, which is likely to transform into an exclusive club with secret membership rules. Selected members are expected to endorse and appreciate one another.
Evidence of this was seen when Trump shared the link to Modi’s interview with Fridman on Truth Social.
During the extensive conversation, PM Modi reflected on his past experiences with Trump, recalling key moments from their meetings, including the 2019 "Howdy Modi" event in Houston, his visit to the White House, and last year's assassination attempt on Trump. Modi praised the US President’s preparedness for a second term at the White House.
Now, returning to the crucial observations of the Prime Minister, he stated, "The international organisations that were created have become almost irrelevant; there is no reform in them. Institutions like the UN cannot fulfil their role. People globally who disregard laws and rules are acting freely, and no one can stop them."
The PM reflected on lessons learned from the Covid-19 pandemic, which exposed the vulnerabilities of every nation and highlighted the need for unity amid escalating global tensions.
"Covid-19 has revealed the limitations that we all face. Regardless of how much we may consider ourselves a great nation— progressive and scientifically advanced— during the Covid-19 crisis, we were all humbled, every country in the world. It seemed that the world would learn something from it, and we would move towards a new world order. But, unfortunately, instead of advancing towards peace, the world disintegrated, entering a period of uncertainty exacerbated by war," PM Modi told the US podcaster.
PM Modi called for a shift from conflict to cooperation, advocating for a development-driven approach as the way forward. He asserted that expansionism will not work in an interconnected and interdependent world, emphasising the need for nations to support one another.
"As I mentioned earlier, the world is interdependent and interconnected... Everyone needs everyone; no one can act alone. In all the various forums I attend, there is pervasive concern about conflict. We hope to find relief from it very soon," the PM added.
Last year, PM Modi, in his address to the UN's 'Summit of the Future', made a clarion call for change from the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) pulpit, noting that reform is essential for relevance. He remarked that global action "must match" global ambition.
Aligning with Trump’s stance on China, Modi spoke of India’s largest neighbour in amicable and friendly terms, highlighting efforts to ensure that differences between the two countries do not escalate into conflict and that dialogue remains paramount to the diplomatic approach.
Incidentally, the US President avoids aggressive or belligerent rhetoric regarding China and its President, Xi.
"If you examine historical records, for centuries, India and China have influenced one another. Together, they have significantly contributed to the global good. Historical documents suggest that at one point, India and China alone accounted for more than 50 per cent of the world's GDP. That illustrates the substantial contribution India made. I believe our ties have remained exceptionally strong, underpinned by deep cultural connections," the Prime Minister told Lex Fridman.
PM Modi underscored that cooperation between India and China is vital for global stability and prosperity, advocating for healthy competition rather than conflict.
“Dialogue is the key to establishing a stable and cooperative relationship that benefits both nations," he stated.
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